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The Acoustic Storm Interview

Jeff Parets talks to Gary Brooker in Scottsdale AZ

This interesting Brooker interview Ė from 27 July 2003 at the Scottsdale Center for the Arts Ė is reprinted here by kind permission of Jeff Parets, the Procol fan whose 'Acoustic Storm' website has far more on it than just details of his radio show ... pay him a visit!

Procol Harum has been recording and touring since the late 60s. The British band was one of the first to incorporate classically-inspired melodies into their music, starting with their hit, A Whiter Shade of Pale. Out on the road in support of their 2003 release The Well's on Fire, Procol Harum keyboardist and singer-songwriter Gary Brooker sat down for an interview with The Acoustic Storm before a recent concert.

Acoustic Storm
Letís start with the origin of the bandís name.

Gary Brooker
We got named after a cat, a little Burmese Brown ... that was its pedigree name: Procol Harum. It didnít sound like anything, we didnít really know what our music was, what box that fit in either. It didnít fit anywhere, sort of an ambiguous name like that; it did have sort of a Latin sound to it. We found out a couple months later that if we had spelled it right, it wouldíve meant "Beyond these things," which is just sort of a happy coincidence. But weíve always been happy with our name [see here]; I suppose every band is. Iím just glad we werenít called Strawberry Alarm Clock or something. It wouldíve been a bit embarrassing 35 years later.

A Whiter Shade of Pale is probably still the best-known Procol Harum song. Can you talk about the inspiration for that?

I was inspired I think by Bach. I was trying to play Air on the G String by ear. I already knew the first couple of bars, but I really liked what the bass line was doing in it, and I carried it on and played something over the top, Bach-like. And the words were on the piano so I just sang them like the Blues over it Ö that was it. It took just a few minutes.

One of the bandís bigger sellers in the U.S., at least, was the album recorded with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra. How did that come about?

I think it gradually grew from a Whiter Shade of Pale, and then on our second album we had a long piece, which was quite unusual for a rock/pop band at the time, you know; it was about 18 minutes long on our Shine On Brightly album. And then on our third album we had one called Salty Dog which had an arrangement for strings in a classical way, rather than a pop way. And when we got invited to play at the Stratford Festival in Ontario, we played there with an orchestra and a choir that was seen by somebody with the Edmonton outfit, and they invited us to play there the following year.

Procol Harum has always had a Classical bent, if you will, and more recently, youíve composed music for ballet.

I didnít think that Iíd like to do a ballet, but the Royal Danish Ballet did ask if Iíd like to do one with this American choreographer. So thatís what you would call a commission. Iíve always liked Classical music but Iím not a Classical musician by any stretch of the imagination. With Procol Harum, I think I was sort of putting in some classically-oriented chords with the first songs I wrote. I thought it added a bit of power to the rock of it. And I think that Matthew Fisher, who came in and played organ, he always picked up on those bits as well. If he heard a little reference or something, he recognized what I was on about. And so he amplified it even more, and help me out on the organ with what I was doing on the piano.

On the latest Procol Harum album, The Wellís on Fire, you have continued your long-time collaboration with lyricist Keith Reed [sic]. Thatís an unusual situation; somebody that does not perform, but only writes lyrics for the band.

Yeah, well I think a lot of bands would have better lyrics if they had someone like that working with them. Keith and I started off together in other bands [sic]. I was about 19, and thought Iíd have a go at writing songs when I met Keith, and so weíve always worked together. People often ask if itís words first. Yes, words come first and the music usually comes after. But heís written all the ones on our new album as well as he has on every [sic] Procol Harum album. And weíve always been quite happy to work together; I find his words easy to sing. I know that theyíre not, because I sometimes think about it. I shouldíve really given up when I looked at some of his opening lines, but it always intrigued me. I mean something like "My amazon six-triggered bride", you know, Iíve found a great opening line. A lot of people might have balked at having to write something to that, but Iíve always enjoyed it. There was always a lot of fantasy in it, but heís got a great train of moral thought going through it as well, which makes it powerful to sing.

How about A Whiter Shade of Pale, did Keith discuss with you what he was trying to express in that song, or did you just take it at face value and then write music around it?

The latter. Heís never told me anything about his words or what he means and I never asked him either. I know that they mean something to me.

What kind of thoughts does that song evoke for you? It is somewhat abstract, and definitely not a typical "I love you" song.

Well, there seems to be a girl somewhere amongst it all. Thatís all I can see in it, I donít know what it means. If everybody knew what it meant it probably wouldnít have lasted so long. It does mean something; itís got an atmosphere in the lyrics and an atmosphere to the music as well, itís got an atmosphere to the vocal I suppose. It all just comes together every time. Itís never been difficult to sing, or boring.

You alluded to A Salty Dog earlier. That album seems to be more introspective than some of the other Procol Harum thatís been recorded over the years.

Weíve never thought very hard about any of our albums, thatís the thing. Sometimes Iíve thought we should try something with a lot of continuity in its sound and content, but it never comes out like that. I think from the writing side youíre always trying to write something new and itís the same now as when we did Salty Dog. There was a lot more collaboration amongst the band members on that. You know, Matthew wrote two or three, Robin (Trower) wrote two or three, and I wrote the rest, how ever many that was. Twice as many as them I expect. But itís the circumstances of the studio and whatís there, you know. When we made Salty Dog in fact, we were in Abbey Road and they have lots of other instruments around there and we picked them up and played them, so youíve got a bit of variety in there. I think it was the first album that we didnít [sic] produce ourselves, but Matthew Fisher was in charge of the sound and the recording and that was his touch on it.

You played Conquistador during the sound check, is that still part of the bandís concert repertoire?

Well, we havenít played it for a long, long time, thatís why I thought weíd play it in the sound check just to remember how it went, and you could see we were having a very difficult time remembering how the ending went. So we havenít played it in a while, and I donít know why, but I suppose youíve always got to leave something out. Thatís the trouble, itís not a question of what we should play, itís what to leave out.

That tune definitely has a different flair, and perhaps thereís a historical reference. What was your inspiration for that one?

It had a bit of an evolution. Itís one of the only Procol Harum songs which Keith wrote the words to the music. I found this word, 'conquistador', and thought, this is an interesting word and I had this musical idea, and Keith wrote it. But it had nothing to do with what was on the Edmonton album; it was a song on our first album and written very early on. When we were going up to play that concert with the Edmonton Symphony, we were flying up there actually, and I thought that we havenít really got a fast song amongst all the stuff we had arranged, all that I had orchestrated, so I had to think about what might fit and we hadnít that many albums out yet and not a lot to pick from. I suddenly thought ĎConquistadorí, but not just like it is on the first album, itís got to be more. So, we put that beginning in, because itís like Conquistador, the Spanish conquerors, you know, a bit of a Spanish flavor to it. So that kind of gave it a lot more character I think. People seem to like it.

As a keyboardist, what made you want to incorporate acoustic piano into rock? Over the years, itís helped to distinguish the sound of Procol Harum.

I grew up on things like Ray Charles, Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard, most of the stuff I like, I mean Chuck Berry, theyíve all got piano in it. But way back then, it wasnít that easy; I had to persevere a lot to be able to play piano in a rock band, because they were out of tune, you know. Pianos were always in the corners of pubs covered in dust. So it wasnít an easy instrument to play in a group in the 60s, you know, the Golden Days (laughs), but I persevered. The technology of it has changed; I used to play a grand piano in the 70s, but that was always difficult. It has to be in tune with the Hammond organ, because you canít change a Hammond organís tuning. So if the piano was a slightly different pitch, we would have nightmares. These days with digital pianos, itís not a problem to get the volume you need, plus theyíre always in tune. But I do go for the sound of a proper acoustic grand piano. And try to get it.

Thereís something about the acoustic piano thatís soulful in its own way.

Actually, on our new record, we got a gigantic piano and I had the one I use on stage set up as well, the digital one, and tried both of them. Iím afraid that the digital won out. It sounded more like a piano than the real piano. So the piano on the new record is a digital one, but you wouldnít know it, really. [BtP is sure that The Emperor's New Clothes was recorded on an acoustic piano]

Thanks, Jeff

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